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God Stopped Speaking to Man Long Ago!

January 25, 2015 - God Reveals His Will
God Stopped Speaking to Man Long Ago!

God Stopped Speaking to Man Long Ago, or Did He?:

Many of the disaffected Latter-day Saints that I have encountered in recent years have tried to tell us repeatedly that God stopped speaking to the LDS Apostles when Joseph Smith was martyred, or that God rejected the LDS Apostles and LDS Prophets in 1890 when they caved-in on the polygamy issue. These people then go on to inform us that God has not spoken to any LDS Apostle since the martyrdom of Joseph Smith, or since the 1890 Manifesto. I have been informed by the LDS apostates that God and Christ rejected the LDS Church long ago and that there is no true church and no true prophets on the face of the earth any more. The disaffected, the anti-Christs, and the Korihors in the LDS Church keep telling themselves this satanic lie until they come to believe that it is true.

It’s the same argument that we hear from Christendom and the Protestants in general, that God stopped speaking to man after the Bible was compiled, or after the Primitive Apostles were killed, because God had said all that He needed or wanted to say. They keep telling themselves that God stopped inspiring man or stopped revealing Himself to man, and they keep telling themselves this satanic lie until they come to believe that it is true.

The things I have encountered and have been reading, if believed to be true, indicate quite clearly that these various satanic lies are not true. From what I can see, read, and have experienced, God and the Holy Ghost continues to speak to LDS Bishops and to LDS Apostles, even to this very day. Yes, God might have stopped speaking to me and to you, but all the evidence that I have found tells me that God continues to speak to the LDS Apostles and to many LDS Bishops as well.

Here are some links that expose this satanic lie for the lie that it truly is:

Revelation after Joseph Smith

Divine Manifestations after Joseph Smith — 19th_Century

Divine Manifestations after Joseph Smith — 20th_Century

If you choose to believe that these things are true, then they serve as evidence or proof that God continues to speak to the LDS Apostles even to this very day. These evidences also serve as proof that Christ has not rejected the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the LDS Apostles, and the Latter-day Saints as a whole. God and Christ might have rejected some of us individually due to our rebellion and sin, but Christ continues to see the LDS Church as His Church and the LDS Apostles as His Apostles here on this earth, even to this very day. These evidences or proofs expose the claim, that God stopped speaking to man long ago, for the satanic lie that it really is.

We choose our beliefs. When presented with written evidence, we either choose to believe that the evidence is true, or we choose to believe that it is false. That’s the way that faith works. An atheist makes an even greater leap of faith than a religious theist does. An atheist looks at the written evidence proving God’s existence and then chooses to believe on faith that all of that evidence is false. The Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, the Pearl of Great Price, and the writings of the LDS Apostles all serve as written evidence that God exists, and that Jesus Christ really did rise from the dead, and that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is Christ’s Church here on this earth right now. An atheist will look at all of this evidence and then choose to believe that the whole thing is false.

There’s another interesting reality here. Some things do not exist until they are “believed into existence” or “chosen into existence”. You literally choose to love your spouse or to love your child. That love does not exist until after you have chosen to love that person. That love does not exist until after it has been believed into existence or chosen into existence. You don’t love someone until after you have decided to love them or chosen to love them.

The same concept applies to faith in God. We choose to believe that God exists, or we choose to believe that God does not exist. It’s a choice. That faith or belief does not exist until after a person chooses it into existence. In contrast, many of the Apostles of Christ were given no choice. They believe because they know for an eye-witness and hands-on fact that Jesus Christ really did rise from the dead and that Jesus Christ really is God. They are operating on knowledge, and not faith, which is a completely different thing. They know that God exists because they have seen Him and touched Him and heard His voice.

From the book, “David O. McKay and the Rise of Modern Mormonism”, page 38:
Mr. Cook then said he was hesitant about asking his next question, and that he hoped President McKay would understand the spirit in which he was asking – not for part of his story, but strictly from a personal inquiry standpoint, and that he hoped the President would not answer if he did not feel it was a proper question. He then asked President McKay if he had ever seen the Savior. President McKay answered that he had not, but that he had heard His voice – many times – and that he had felt His presence and His influence. . . . Then he told how some evidences were stronger even than that of sight.

From this quote I learned that our Savior Jesus Christ has spoken to David O. McKay many times and had given him witnesses that were stronger than that of sight.

From the book, “David O. McKay and the Rise of Modern Mormonism”, page 104:
I remember one day that President McKay came into the office. We could see that he was very much distressed. He said, “I’ve had it! I’m not going to do it again!” Somebody said, “What?” He said, “Well, I’m badgered constantly about giving the priesthood to the Negro. I’ve inquired of the Lord repeatedly. The last time I did it was last night. I was told, with no discussion, not to bring the subject up with the Lord again; that the time will come, but it will not be my time, and to leave the subject alone.”

What I learn from this quote is that Christ, our Lord, speaks to the President of His Church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I also learn from this quote that the Lord Himself did not want the blacks to have the priesthood at this point in time. These are two things that I personally needed to know; and, I wish that I would have found out about them sooner than I did.

David McKay

None of us have any way of knowing that God exists, unless God Himself chooses to reveal Himself to us. We can hope and pray that these accounts are true, and take the leap of faith; but, we won’t actually know for ourselves until after God has chosen to reveal Himself to us personally. Meanwhile, these accounts can give us hope that God really is there and give us the hope that someday we too can experience some of the same things that the Apostles of God have experienced.

One of the reasons we are here on this earth behind the veil is to help us develop faith, a hope and a faith that will motivate us to go and find God for ourselves. Just because you haven’t found Him yet cannot serve as proof that He does not exist. Yes, God does not exist for you, yet. But, your lack of experience does not mean that others have not found Him and that He does not exist for them as well. I realized long ago that just because I have never seen God does not serve as evidence or proof that Joseph Smith never saw God the Father and Jesus Christ as Joseph claimed to have done. Others can have these kinds of experiences despite the fact that I have never had these kinds of experiences. Earth-life is a school, where we can learn to do things that we have never done before.

Enoch

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Cross Reference:

No Theophanies After Joseph Smith.

4 thoughts on “God Stopped Speaking to Man Long Ago!

Enoch

I’m starting this website by presenting the possibility that God might actually exist. Why am I doing this? Well, if God does not exist, then anything else we might discuss on this website is completely pointless. Religion and faith have no value whatsoever if God does not exist. However, if God does exist and Jesus Christ really did rise from the dead, then these things are of paramount importance to each and every one of us. If God exists, there is no greater thing for us to explore or discuss than the Gospel of Christ and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Enoch

For me, David McKay’s encounters with God are the most significant revelation of God to take place during my lifetime.

These revelations showed to me that God did not want the blacks to have the priesthood during the 1960’s. Apparently, the LDS Church wasn’t ready for it, the blacks weren’t ready for it, and the Lord wasn’t ready for it either. Each good thing in its own due time.

These revelations also told me that Jesus Christ had accepted David McKay as the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and was willing to speak to the man from time to time. It’s Christ’s Church that you are dealing with if Christ Himself is speaking to or appearing to the leaders of that Church.

If Christ isn’t attending nor sustaining a particular church, then there is no reason for me to do so either.

Enoch

Darwin Bagley wrote:

In any age or Gospel Dispensation, to be led astray is to be led away from the Church of Jesus Christ. In our Gospel Dispensation, to be led astray is to be led away from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Christ’s Church here on this earth right now. If you know what “being led astray” really means in God’s terms or God’s eyes, then no, prophets cannot and will not lead us away from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They will point us directly to it.

Enoch

Darwin Bagley wrote:

It was revealed to David O. McKay that Jesus Christ Himself didn’t want the blacks to have the priesthood during David O. McKay’s Presidency. That tells me that Jesus Christ Himself told Brigham Young NOT to give the blacks the priesthood at that point in time, which Brigham Young obeyed, as Brigham was obligated to do.

The timing of all of this, inside the LDS Church and outside the LDS Church, is the Lord’s timing. He has control over it all. The Lord knows very well about these new policy changes in regards to same-sex marriage, because He had a hand in writing them and He could have vetoed them at any point along the way.

The Lord was also very much aware that the Blacks weren’t given the Priesthood during and after Brigham Young’s Presidency, because the Lord is the one who set that policy, and the Lord could have vetoed that policy at any point along the way. Eventually the Lord did veto that policy and gave additional revelations explaining why He wanted the policy to now be changed.

Clearly, the reasons why the Lord refused to give the Blacks the priesthood during Brigham Young’s time were in fact different than what the Latter-day Saints of the era were surmising or speculating. That doesn’t change the fact that it was the Lord’s will that the Blacks not have the priesthood during that point in time.

The Lord knows exactly what He is doing, and the Lord is a lot smarter than the rest of us. The timing of all of this is His!

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