Evidence for the Nephites' Existence

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Evidence for the Nephites' Existence

Post#1 » Sat Sep 05, 2015 12:47 pm

Another atheist demanded that I show him one piece of evidence for the Nephites' existence.

I started to show him one piece of evidence after another, and in characteristic closed-minded atheistic fashion, he started unilaterally declaring each piece of evidence inadmissible, for one reason or another. They really don't want evidence, and they won't accept evidence, because they are determined to remain in their blindness and ignorance.

Sorry, my friend, but your refusal to accept the evidence does NOT constitute proof of your atheistic claims. In fact, your refusal to accept the evidence is actually the worst kind of evidence that you can present to the world court in support of your atheistic claims. Likewise, your constant atheistic desire to kill each and every messenger who brings you evidence does NOT supply proof of your atheistic claims. Instead, it only serves to prove how closed-minded you really are. There is no way for you to prove that your atheism is true! All that you can really prove is that you are unwilling to take a look at any evidence.

Just because you refuse to accept the evidence, does NOT constitute evidence for the rest of us. The evidence still exists, and other people are free to make up their own mind. Just because you resort to name-calling and flaming does NOT constitute evidence, nor does it dismiss the evidence. The evidence still remains for other people to see and consider. Yes, your atheistic refusal to look at the evidence and accept the evidence works perfectly well for you and constitutes proof for you, but it has no bearing whatsoever on the rest of us. We still remain free to pursue the evidence wherever it may lead us.

After examining all the available evidence, more and more people are coming to the conclusion that the Ancient Hopewell Civilization was in fact the Ancient Nephite Civilization. In fact, we have so much evidence for the Hopewell (Nephite) Civilization, tens of thousands of pieces of evidence, that it is impossible to determine accurately which pieces of the evidence are the best evidence. There was 30,000 pieces of evidence hidden away in one of those government warehouses from various North American Civilizations that existed in the Hopewell region.

Of course, I did point this person to Rod Meldrum and Wayne May for the evidence and the artifacts that he was demanding, and in typical atheistic fashion, he proceeded to kill the messengers and proceeded to deny the evidence. He can see the sun shining, but he is determined to convince the rest of us that the sun isn't shining.

http://www.bookofmormonevidence.org/

http://www.bookofmormonevidence.org/lig ... hic%20Book

Wayne May has some of these artifacts in his possession:

https://www.facebook.com/wayne.may.54

There's thousands of pieces of evidence for the existence of the Nephites, but this atheistic person is determined to deny each one of them! Instead, he simply calls the discoverers of the evidence "hacks", and thereby dismisses all the evidence, so that he can then in his own mind say that there is no evidence for the Nephite Civilization. Sorry, my friend, denying the evidence does NOT provide proof for your atheistic claims! It just leaves you standing naked where you were standing naked before.

Each one of these books and DVD's provide evidence for the Nephites' existence. If you truly want evidence, then take a look at the evidence:

http://www.bookofmormonevidence.org/products.php

Anywhere that they dig up artifacts on the North American continent that have the ancient pre-Biblical Hebrew script written on them, that is solid convincing proof of the existence of the Nephites (Hebrews) here on the American Continent.

Of course, I will refer this person to the book, "The [Hebrew] Name of God: Found in the Ancient American Southwest", knowing in advance that this person will find some reason to reject this book, even though it supplies the evidence that he is demanding from me.

http://bookrev.allthings.computer/the-name-of-god/

This book from James R. Harris contains thousands of Hebrew letters, words, and inscriptions that have been found on the North American Continent. This isn't modern-day Hebrew! This is the ancient pre-Babylonian exile Hebrew! Somehow, there used to be a Hebrew (Nephite) group of people living on the American continent. The Book of Mormon simply explains where they came from.

I bought Harris' book, because it provides proof beyond all reasonable doubt that Hebrew was written by the Cherokee and the Ancient North Americans. They knew Hebrew and wrote it on their ancient artifacts. That is proof that Hebrews or Nephites existed on the American Continent among the Ancient American Indians.

This book from James R. Harris is just one piece of evidence.

There's also the Bat Creek Inscription, which this atheist instantly dismissed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_Creek_inscription

I sent this person to Wayne May's facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/wayne.may.54

Wayne May has collected dozens of ancient Nephite artifacts from North America that have ancient pre-Babylonian exile Hebrew script written on them. That's solid convincing proof that Hebrews (Nephites) once used to live on the American Continent. I know for a surety that this person will find some way to kill Wayne May in order to make Wayne May's evidence disappear.

This person will also reject this facebook page, event though some of the evidence on that page can actually be used to possibly support his atheistic claims:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Ancient- ... ?pnref=lhc

I can send this person to google for three million articles about "Hebrew in North America", and I know for a fact that he will find some way to dismiss all 3,000,000 pieces of evidence!

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=He ... th+America

The Ten Commandment Stone was written by some Nephites on the North American Continent:

http://stevenmcollins.com/html/decalogue_stone.html

Here's a completely different Decalogue Stone produced by the Hebrew Nephites on the North American Continent:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHh8r8x9NzA

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=%2 ... mmandments

This person demanded one piece of evidence. I have provided him with thousands of pieces of evidence. I know in advance that he will remain determined to dismiss them all, for one reason or another.

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Re: Evidence for the Nephites' Existence

Post#2 » Sat Sep 05, 2015 6:41 pm

I got a response to some of this:

Kevin Lackey: This is because your evidence does not rise to the level of the challenge. All of your "evidence" is out of hand dismissed by the experts of the relative fields. Why do you think that is?


This was my response:

Oh, I believe you. For you that's very true. I believe that is because you consider yourself one of the experts. Nevertheless, that doesn't prevent millions of us from seeing things differently. That's the nature of controversy and evidence. Each person chooses to look at the evidence differently. At least you seem willing to look at the evidence; and, for that I salute you!



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Re: Evidence for the Nephites' Existence

Post#3 » Sat Sep 05, 2015 6:48 pm

Kevin Lackey kindly supplied this link where the controversy concerning the Nephite's DNA is being discussed.

http://www.fairmormon.org/reviews-of-dn ... -geography

I find some of this to be fascinating reading as well.

At least Kevin Lackey is willing to take a look at the evidence. That's not typical for most of the anti-Mormons.

When it comes to the Book of Mormon DNA controversy, I say let them hammer it out. The more that they discuss it and write about it, the more that we learn!

I particularly like Rod Meldrum's book and DVD about Book of Mormon DNA, where he finds evidence for Samaritan (Hebrew) DNA in the Heartland of America among the remaining indigenous Indian Peoples, the ones like the Cherokee who used to speak and write Hebrew. Anyway, it's cool stuff, if your mind is open to such a thing.

Rod Meldrum's DNA Book can be found for free here:

http://www.bookofmormonevidence.org/downloads.php

I watched the movie!

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Post#4 » Sat Sep 05, 2015 7:01 pm

This is the link where I have been discussing some of these controversies:

https://www.facebook.com/adam.d.ford/po ... ment_reply

You can check it out for as long as it lasts. I have no idea when or if the host will kill the thread.


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Re: Evidence for the Nephites' Existence

Post#5 » Sat Sep 05, 2015 7:16 pm

I got this helpful response from Kevin Lackey:

And yet there is 0 evidence recognized by any of the professional archaeologists, anthropologists, geneticists, linguists, etc who publish in academia or in recognized scholarly venues. Only publications by mormon laypeople, outside of their fields, and refuted by other mormons.

http://www.fairmormon.org/reviews-of-dn ... -geography

Such fun.


This was my response:

I agree, there is zero evidence that YOU would be willing to accept, because such evidence has been systematically rounded up and hidden or destroyed by the Smithsonian Institute, because one of the founders of the Smithsonian Institute, John Wesley Powell, hated Joseph Smith and the Mormons with a passion. So, John Wesley Powell hid or destroyed any archeological evidence that supported Joseph Smith's claims. Therefore, you will just have to rely upon the evidence that remains, just like the rest of us; and, it's abundantly available for those who are willing to look and see. Seek and ye shall find. Knock and it shall be opened unto you.


There is one thing that apparently Keven and I agree upon, "It's a great deal of fun!"

I love sifting through the evidence trying to decide for myself what parts of the evidence I believe to be true, and what parts of it fail to meet my demands.



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Re: Evidence for the Nephites' Existence

Post#6 » Sat Sep 05, 2015 7:20 pm

Book of Mormon Geography studies provide evidence for the Nephites' Existence:

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Re: Evidence for the Nephites' Existence

Post#7 » Sat Sep 05, 2015 8:02 pm

Kevin Lackey:

I don't know how you think the Smithsonian is going about rounding up and destroying evidence, I suspect you also believe bigfoot is cain (somehow surviving the flood) and that the moon landings were faked.


Darwin Bagley:
It's because I watched the Documentary "Lost Civilizations of North America". John Wesley Powell wasn't just motivated by his hatred of Joseph Smith, Powell was also motivated by his believe in Manifest Destiny which required him to destroy or suppress anything that might suggest that the Native American Indians had a highly complex society with writing and tools. His goal was to make the American Indians out to be savages; and, Mormonism's claims directly contradicted that goal.




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Re: Evidence for the Nephites' Existence

Post#8 » Sat Sep 05, 2015 8:03 pm

If I am to be limited to just one piece of evidence for the Nephites' Existence, I believe that this is the one that I would choose:

http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/decalog.html

http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch ... nscrpt.pdf

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Re: Evidence for the Nephites' Existence

Post#9 » Sat Sep 05, 2015 8:09 pm

How many different products are there on this particular webpage?

http://www.bookofmormonevidence.org/products.php

Each one of those products provides dozens and sometimes even thousands of pieces of evidence to support the claim that the Nephites (Ancient Hopwell People) actually lived here on the North American Continent, and some of them spoke and wrote Hebrew.

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Re: Evidence for the Nephites' Existence

Post#10 » Sat Sep 05, 2015 8:20 pm

I personally haven't purchased a single thing from Rod Meldrum's website, because I simply do not have enough money to do so. But, I have watched a lot of Meldrum's videos because my friend purchased them; and, we watched them together -- a dozen of them at least.

Alas, Book of Mormon Geography hasn't been my specialty or focus. I dabble at best.

If you really want to dig into this subject, you will have to turn to the experts who have made it a business of theirs:

http://www.bookofmormonevidence.org/index.php

My focus and monetary spending has gone elsewhere, as some of my upcoming essays will attest. I'm interested in the orign of life no less!

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