Denying the Evidence in an Attempt to Eliminate the Evidence:
When I was atheist, I used to believe that there is no evidence for the existence of God.
Why would I blindly jump to such a conclusion? Why was there no evidence for the existence of God? It’s because I refused to look at any evidence that proved the existence of God, so that I could safely and logically claim that there is no evidence for the existence of God.
I didn’t want God to exist, so I refused to look at anything that claimed that God exists. Since I selectively refused to look at or read anything that provided evidence for God’s existence, I stupidly, ignorantly, and erroneously concluded that there is no evidence for God’s existence. It was a self-fulfilling prophecy! Of course, for me, there was no evidence for God’s existence, because I refused to look at any evidence for God’s existence. Duh!
After I started to sober up and started to try to think logically and open-mindedly, my biggest complaint against God was that He didn’t make His presence and influence obviously known. In my opinion, it was too hard to find God and know God. It just didn’t seem right that God would refuse to make Himself known in a clear and obvious way. I remember making this complaint a number of times. It took a long time to find out that I was wrong. That possibility hadn’t entered my mind.
It took a while, but I eventually started to realize that I had made no effort to find God, to get to know God, or to read anything that God has spoken and provided to us. I hadn’t done so for a very long time. Why would God want to reveal Himself to me in a clear and obvious way, since it was clear and obvious that I really didn’t want to have anything to do with God? God will force no man into heaven. Likewise, God will force no man to read His Books.
So, I eventually got over my fears and started to read God’s Books, the books that God had a hand in writing, and slowly but surely, I started to find God. These books exist, but I had to be willing to find them and read them. It was slow-going at first.
In recent months, I have been interacting with atheists online.
The first thing that they usually say is that there is no evidence for God’s existence. So then I start pointing them to dozens of different books that I have found and read that provide some kind of evidence or proof that God really does exist. So what do these people typically do? They find some reason not to read the book or not to look at the evidence that they have requested or demanded. They demand evidence for God’s existence, yet when you point them to the evidence, they refuse to look at it. They prefer to remain in their ignorance, just like I preferred to remain in ignorance when I was atheist. That’s fine, but then they should stop demanding that people provide them with evidence for God’s existence if they have no intention of looking at the evidence. They should simply keep their mouths shut and go blindly along their way as I did, because it’s stupid and illogical to keep demanding evidence when they want no evidence! At least when I was an atheist, I wasn’t an obnoxious atheist!
One person was demanding evidence. It was clear that he wasn’t willing to look at the Bible or the Book of Mormon, so I started sending him to books and debates from various PhD philosophers and PhD mathematicians. He declared them unqualified to speak. He wanted biologists. So, I sent him to some books and debates with various PhD biologists (atheistic, agnostic, and Christian), and once again he refused to look at any of the evidence or read any of the books. He found some excuse to reject and dismiss these people. He just keeps raising the bar. Then in his next postings he is once again claiming that there is no evidence for God’s existence and complaining that I have provided no evidence for God’s existence. Are you starting to see a pattern here? He’s being just as stupid and idiotic as I was when I was atheist – refusing to look at any of the evidence for God’s existence that was presented to me. But, he’s being obnoxious about it! He’s demanding evidence for God’s existence and then using the evidence that you give him as proof that there is no evidence for God’s existence. Then typical to form, he starts name-calling and questioning my education and parentage. Discussing anything further with him was pointless. He hates God and doesn’t want any evidence for God’s existence. He’s just trying to be obnoxious.
During the discussion, this person mocked me for trying to get evidence for God’s existence from a creationist website. That was one of the silliest and most idiotic complaints that I have ever read in print. Where else am I supposed to go to get evidence for God’s existence if not a creationist website? I’m certainly not going to find evidence for God’s existence from an atheistic website! Duh! Yet, this person keeps demanding that I provide him with evidence for God’s existence. Go figure! He doesn’t want evidence for God’s existence, so we all would be better served if he just simply shut up and went and did something better with his life rather than constantly making the claim that there is no evidence for God’s existence while at the same time demanding evidence for God’s existence. He was violating the Law of NonContradiction right and left!
While conversing with atheists, I realized that most of them have no concept whatsoever of what evidence truly is. They define evidence so narrowly that nothing serves as evidence and nothing is admissible into evidence when they are done. They just don’t seem to know or understand how evidence really works.
Take this, for an example.
Suppose you tell me that you walked your dog last night. Or, suppose that you write to me and tell me that you walked your dog last night. Or, suppose you tell a friend to tell me that you walked your dog last night. That’s a piece of evidence that you just gave me there. Even if we all choose to deny your evidence that piece of evidence or your claim still stands as evidence. By making a claim, it has been entered into evidence.
Now, I can do lots of different things with that piece of evidence. I can refuse to believe your evidence, and call you a liar, and demand that you provide me with better evidence that you walked your dog. You can insist that your evidence is true. But then, I can come back at you and tell you that I never saw you walk your dog, so I know for a fact that your dog does not exist and that you never really walked your dog. I can tell you that your evidence is false, and I can deny your evidence. I can tell you that you are stupid and uneducated for making such a claim. This is what people usually do whenever God finds some way to tell them that He exists.
Or, I can choose to believe your statement, and thus your statement will serve as evidence that you actually walked your dog last night. You can also provide additional evidence. Suppose that you provide a date-stamped video of you walking your dog last night, and I’m willing to look at it. That’s another piece of evidence. If you can provide enough convincing pieces of evidence, eventually I will decide that you have met your burden of proof and proven your claim. Keep supplying evidence, and I will eventually decide that you actually did in fact walk your dog last night. Your claim will have been proven beyond all reasonable doubt.
This is the way that evidence works!
Somebody makes a claim, and then that claim serves as evidence for discussion or consideration. We examine the evidence trying to decide for ourselves whether that evidence is true or not. Every piece of evidence, whether it comes from God or man, goes through exactly this same process. It does no good to deny the evidence, because that evidence continues to exist and continues to stand whether we believe it to be true or not. The claim has been made. Now it is up to us to decide whether that claim is true or false.
If you find some way to send me a note and tell me that you exist, that note or message serves as evidence of your existence. I can call you a liar or deny your evidence, but your evidence or claim continues to stand, whether I believe it to be true or not. I can come back and complain that I have never seen you, I don’t know you, and thus I know for a fact that you do not exist; but, that doesn’t eliminate your note from the evidence nor does it prove that you do not exist. It only proves that I’m being stubborn and refusing to look at the evidence or refusing to accept the evidence. The evidence still stands as valid evidence, even if I have chosen to reject it.
Over and over again, thousands of times, God has had written into His Scriptures the words, “I exist. I’m real. Hearken to me. Learn from me.” That’s evidence, written evidence. God has revealed to us thousands of different messages through His chosen prophets within His Scriptures. Each revelation from God serves as evidence of His existence. Somebody heard Him speak, or saw Him, or talked with Him, or walked with Him. That’s evidence of God’s existence!
What better place is there for God to put the evidence of His existence than in the books that He had a hand in writing? Can you think of anything better? I can think of a couple things; but I’m sure from most of the responses that I typically get that most other people can’t think of anything better than the books that God had a hand in writing, if they are truly trying to find evidence for God’s existence.
People ask for the evidence, and the evidence is there in plain sight! On almost every page of the Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price, we have God saying, “I am God. I exist. Hear my voice. Hearken to my words.” It can’t get more plain and evident than that. In those books, we encounter people who have seen God, talked with God, touched God, received revelations from God, heard God’s voice, and walked with God. You can’t get more evidential than that! That’s evidence for God’s existence. God’s signature is on practically every page of the Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price. God claims those books as His own. Collectively, they serve as proof of God’s existence.
Is there better evidence for God’s existence? I don’t know, but some people seem to think that there is. Some people will refuse to accept the Revelations of God as evidence; but, they will accept philosophical proof of God’s existence or scientific proof of God’s existence.
I have been told by many scientists that the orderly and fine-tuned nature of the universe is proof of God’s existence. If God didn’t exist, then we wouldn’t exist. Somebody had to cause this universe and this earth to be perfectly tuned for life! Such a thing never happens by chance!
Other scientists have told me that the fact that we exist is actually proof of God’s existence. According to the law of entropy, none of us should exist! The Law of Entropy shows us that matter NEVER orders itself into living cells. Matter never orders itself into anything useful. Entropy prevents it from doing so! It requires intelligence and life to do that! Entropy and the associated law of extinction are the foundational laws of biology. The biological sciences and direct observation have proven to us that there is no such thing as macro-evolution. Macro-evolution is fictional. It isn’t real. This is what the real scientists have told me. The Law of Entropy prevents macro-evolution from being real. The law of extinction proves that macro-evolution isn’t real. We have never observed macro-evolution in action, because macro-evolution does not exist.
There are scientists who have observed that God has placed His signature and His handiwork into each and every living cell on this planet, for the whole world to see. The DNA in each of your cells is God’s Doctoral Thesis! The DNA in your cells is God’s programming code. Every programmer knows that elegant programming code requires a highly intelligent Programmer. DNA is the most elegant programming code ever written, because it was written by the hand of God and is more complex than any human being is capable of writing. God’s signature is in each and every cell in your human body. God has got His hands all over you and has signed His Name into each and every one of your cells. This is what the best and most intelligent scientists have been telling me.
I have also had PhD philosophers tell me that you, your personality, your consciousness would not exist without God. God is the one who put your spirit, your consciousness, into your physical body; and, God is the one who keeps it there. This is metaphysics, a philosophical form of evidence. Just because it’s philosophical or immaterial or in the mind doesn’t mean that it isn’t evidence. It has been entered into evidence, and you can treat it just like any other evidence. You can choose to believe that it is true, or you can choose to believe it is false; but, whatever you choose to believe, that doesn’t eliminate the evidence.